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Wars of the Roses campaign 2022.

Started by Carl Fisher, December 04, 2021, 05:48:56 pm

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Carl Fisher

Quote from: Andy Mellor on February 15, 2022, 03:42:51 pmLion Rampant 2 Rules coming out in July. Should have some new scenarios to look at?
I have already pre-ordered it on Amazon!
Games Played (Armies): WAB + WaC (IER Roman, Early Saxons and variants, Normans), WFB (Empire), 40K (Spacemarines), Uncharted Seas (Empire, Shroud Mages), WAB English Civil War (English!), Operation Squad (British) SAGA (Normans, Jomsvikings), Mordheim, Wings of War/Glory WWI, Dreadball, Chain of Command (British), Frostgrave, Sails of Glory and many others!!

Tom G

Are we sticking with version 1 for the campaign (just the ruleset not the scenarios and bits)?

Carl Fisher

Quote from: Tom G on February 15, 2022, 06:12:47 pmAre we sticking with version 1 for the campaign (just the ruleset not the scenarios and bits)?
I may review some of the Campaign Rules, but no one will need the new book to play the campaign.
Games Played (Armies): WAB + WaC (IER Roman, Early Saxons and variants, Normans), WFB (Empire), 40K (Spacemarines), Uncharted Seas (Empire, Shroud Mages), WAB English Civil War (English!), Operation Squad (British) SAGA (Normans, Jomsvikings), Mordheim, Wings of War/Glory WWI, Dreadball, Chain of Command (British), Frostgrave, Sails of Glory and many others!!

Tom G

Quote from: Carl Fisher on February 15, 2022, 06:15:23 pm
Quote from: Tom G on February 15, 2022, 06:12:47 pmAre we sticking with version 1 for the campaign (just the ruleset not the scenarios and bits)?
I may review some of the Campaign Rules, but no one will need the new book to play the campaign.

Cool, thanks.

Andy Miller

This might be useful as a crib sheet of stats. It's basic and doesn't include all of the house rules. WoR Stats sheet.docx
ECW Parliamentarian armies. Judge Dredd (Judges/Cal 2k+pts, Ape gang), FoW (MidWar German armour 2k pts, MidWar Afrika Corps 2k pts, LateWar German 4k+pts), Bolt Action (German, US Infantry), OpSquad (Panzer Grenadiers, Falschirmjaeger, Brit Inf), Dux Brit (Saxons), WoW (a small airforce), Fantasy (High Elves, Brets), Dystopian (FSA), Uncharted seas (Iron Dwarves), Sails of glory, X-wing, Dreadball (Humans and Dwarves), Check your six. Star Wars Armada.

Andrew Riley

Great summary sheet.
A humble plea to allow all Leaders to have the skill No.7 Commanding: Each turn you may reroll one failed Move, Attack or Shoot test within 12" of your Leader's model.
It is still incumbent on the Leader to remember this skill during the heat of battle, something I failed 4 times yesterday evening.



Carl Fisher

Attached are first cut rules, for Leader Skills tables - both initial and promotions, for the WotR campaign. Also a revised Double 1/6 table for us with WotR.

Feel free to try them out during any test games.
Games Played (Armies): WAB + WaC (IER Roman, Early Saxons and variants, Normans), WFB (Empire), 40K (Spacemarines), Uncharted Seas (Empire, Shroud Mages), WAB English Civil War (English!), Operation Squad (British) SAGA (Normans, Jomsvikings), Mordheim, Wings of War/Glory WWI, Dreadball, Chain of Command (British), Frostgrave, Sails of Glory and many others!!

Grahame

Excellent ideas but could we have these in black & white please.
Grahame

Carl Fisher

Quote from: Grahame on March 07, 2022, 02:49:51 pmExcellent ideas but could we have these in black & white please.
Grahame
Attached single document, B&W plus colour (blues).
Games Played (Armies): WAB + WaC (IER Roman, Early Saxons and variants, Normans), WFB (Empire), 40K (Spacemarines), Uncharted Seas (Empire, Shroud Mages), WAB English Civil War (English!), Operation Squad (British) SAGA (Normans, Jomsvikings), Mordheim, Wings of War/Glory WWI, Dreadball, Chain of Command (British), Frostgrave, Sails of Glory and many others!!

Carl Fisher

Just a quick update as a result of some early test play.

1) Retinue lists, maximum of one unit option, points raised to 16pt, to allow for larger points value.

2) Total Retinue point increased to 42 (from 40).

3) Any 4pt or 6pt unit of Archers can be split to 2x2pt Biddowers, not all entries include this currently, this is just an error!

Also you can choose to only include one of the two in your 30pt list!

4) Biddowers can never use Leaders skill, even if the original unit would qualify.

Finally a clarification on LoS.

You cannot shoot through your own units, so you must have a clear shot from more than one member of your unit to more than one member of the target past the intervening unit, still counts as cover. 

You can shoot through enemy units, still count as cover, but must allow for target priority. Again cover applies.

Where a shot would result in two lots of cover, for example a unit behind a hedge, being shot past a friendly unit, then no shot is possible, deemed too difficult!

Please try these in your games and report back!
Games Played (Armies): WAB + WaC (IER Roman, Early Saxons and variants, Normans), WFB (Empire), 40K (Spacemarines), Uncharted Seas (Empire, Shroud Mages), WAB English Civil War (English!), Operation Squad (British) SAGA (Normans, Jomsvikings), Mordheim, Wings of War/Glory WWI, Dreadball, Chain of Command (British), Frostgrave, Sails of Glory and many others!!

Grahame

Sorry Carl but I don't understand 1)
Grahame

Carl Fisher

Quote from: Grahame on March 11, 2022, 07:09:32 pmSorry Carl but I don't understand 1)
Grahame
There is a limit in the rulebook of 12pts or 4 units maximum of any Troop Type (including upgrades and options). This is increased to 16pts.
Games Played (Armies): WAB + WaC (IER Roman, Early Saxons and variants, Normans), WFB (Empire), 40K (Spacemarines), Uncharted Seas (Empire, Shroud Mages), WAB English Civil War (English!), Operation Squad (British) SAGA (Normans, Jomsvikings), Mordheim, Wings of War/Glory WWI, Dreadball, Chain of Command (British), Frostgrave, Sails of Glory and many others!!

Rob Farley

Quote from: Carl Fisher on March 11, 2022, 07:21:22 pm
Quote from: Grahame on March 11, 2022, 07:09:32 pmSorry Carl but I don't understand 1)
Grahame
There is a limit in the rulebook of 12pts or 4 units maximum of any Troop Type (including upgrades and options). This is increased to 16pts.
Presumably this is based on the original unit type from the LR rulebook? So in the Household Retinue list, Retinue Billmen and Militia Billmen would count as different unit types (Foot Serjeants and Foot Yeomen) and you could have up to 16 points of each but Militia Billmen and Mercenary Pikemen would count as the same type of unit (both Foot Yeomen) so only 16 points combined.
Current games (and armies) played: Rumbleslam, Street Fighter Miniatures, Saga, Marvel Crisis Protocol, Gaslands, Lion/Dragon Rampant, Frostgrave, Stargrave, Bolt Action & Operation Squad (Desert Rats, Communist Chinese, Russians, partisans, Americans, Finns, Italian Paras), Judge Dredd Miniatures, Mobile Frame Zero, Necromunda (Pit Slaves, Escher), Wings of War (WWI and WWII), Mordheim, Warpath

Current Projects: Various halflings, Rumbleslam wrestlers, Superheroes, Sludge Samurai

Rob Farley

Quote from: Carl Fisher on March 11, 2022, 12:03:11 pm3) Any 4pt or 6pt unit of Archers can be split to 2x2pt Biddowers, not all entries include this currently, this is just an error!
Does this also apply to 4pt crossbow units?
Current games (and armies) played: Rumbleslam, Street Fighter Miniatures, Saga, Marvel Crisis Protocol, Gaslands, Lion/Dragon Rampant, Frostgrave, Stargrave, Bolt Action & Operation Squad (Desert Rats, Communist Chinese, Russians, partisans, Americans, Finns, Italian Paras), Judge Dredd Miniatures, Mobile Frame Zero, Necromunda (Pit Slaves, Escher), Wings of War (WWI and WWII), Mordheim, Warpath

Current Projects: Various halflings, Rumbleslam wrestlers, Superheroes, Sludge Samurai

Carl Fisher

Quote from: Rob Farley on March 11, 2022, 07:53:31 pm
Quote from: Carl Fisher on March 11, 2022, 07:21:22 pm
Quote from: Grahame on March 11, 2022, 07:09:32 pmSorry Carl but I don't understand 1)
Grahame
There is a limit in the rulebook of 12pts or 4 units maximum of any Troop Type (including upgrades and options). This is increased to 16pts.
Presumably this is based on the original unit type from the LR rulebook? So in the Household Retinue list, Retinue Billmen and Militia Billmen would count as different unit types (Foot Serjeants and Foot Yeomen) and you could have up to 16 points of each but Militia Billmen and Mercenary Pikemen would count as the same type of unit (both Foot Yeomen) so only 16 points combined.
For the campaign the rule applies to entries in the Retinue Lists! Hope that is not too confusing. So Militia Billmen and Mercenary Pikemen are separate!
Games Played (Armies): WAB + WaC (IER Roman, Early Saxons and variants, Normans), WFB (Empire), 40K (Spacemarines), Uncharted Seas (Empire, Shroud Mages), WAB English Civil War (English!), Operation Squad (British) SAGA (Normans, Jomsvikings), Mordheim, Wings of War/Glory WWI, Dreadball, Chain of Command (British), Frostgrave, Sails of Glory and many others!!