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Title: Bolt Action escalation league
Post by: tony on January 12, 2019, 03:18:06 pm
I’m in depending on era etc


Title: Bolt Action escalation league
Post by: martink0646 on January 13, 2019, 02:12:31 pm
There are a few ways to do this; firstly the game is not a historical simulation & the points level should balance out late war/early war so anything goes. Secondly, we could fix it at a set period of time although that could rule people out. Thirdly, as we escalate the points, move the time period on say a year at a time?

Personally I would plump for option one as it is the most inclusive but I can work with all three with the third option potentially being the best compromise.

Thoughts please.

MartinK


Title: Bolt Action escalation league
Post by: martink0646 on January 13, 2019, 02:27:18 pm
This could be done in 4-6 months depending on people's appetite. I'm proposing a basic 500, 750, 1,000 & 1,250 point set up. You could easily add 600 points in there, I know Rob's an advocate of that & it makes sense if people are building & painting as they go along. You could also add a bonus 1,500 point tank game at the end for anybody that wanted to build more armour.

As far as ground rules go I propose that every unit that is in at the start has to be in the list as you expand it (unless we move the years forward with the points level). The 500 points starting level will not allow any free units & any vehicles will have a maximum armour level of 7+ i.e. take the armoured car slot.

Again all thoughts gratefully accepted.

MartinK


Title: Bolt Action escalation league
Post by: Rob Farley on January 13, 2019, 02:54:15 pm
A couple of thoughts:

If we're moving rhings forward chronologically with each game, does that mean American players can't play in the opening rounds? (I know that sounds facetious - it's not, it's a genuine question).

Why are we considering limiting it to one era? Bolt Action does a great job of balancing the different eras with points values so game balance isn't an issue. Is it because of "realism" concerns? If so, will we be going further by limiting opponents to plausible historical match-ups, because even if everybody's playing mid-war Japan vs Finland doesn't do much for realism.

Are we limited to just the armoured car slot for the first battle? Because there are tanks with armour 7+ as well, especially early-war. Plus transports.


Title: Bolt Action escalation league
Post by: tony on January 13, 2019, 04:51:21 pm
Give me a good excuse to start a French foreign legion force


Title: Bolt Action escalation league
Post by: Rob Farley on January 13, 2019, 05:45:26 pm
Give me a good excuse to start a French foreign legion force
Sounds cool. Using Armies of France or the new list in The Western Desert?


Title: Bolt Action escalation league
Post by: martink0646 on January 13, 2019, 05:52:32 pm
Hi Rob,

Good points. I put the options up to see how people are feeling as I want to set this up for maximum inclusion. I tend to agree with you as per my first option, any era will work & an early force at 500 points may have less toys but will field more men so as to negate body armour & assault rifles.  I put it as an option because I have had a specific request but as above, I want max numbers.

As far as the vehicles go I wasn't considering mandating armored car just giving an example. I think tankettes etc. are exactly what a 500 point force needs :)

Tony, what do you need as an excuse because I'll be happy to help!! :)

All thoughts & ideas are welcome at this stage.

MartinK


Title: Bolt Action escalation league
Post by: Chris Davies on January 14, 2019, 08:42:59 am
I'm up for this. Ourrah!


Title: Bolt Action escalation league
Post by: Grahame on January 14, 2019, 03:18:31 pm
Count me in - I'll be using British.
 Grahame


Title: Re: Bolt Action escalation league
Post by: Godbold on January 14, 2019, 05:57:07 pm
Count me in too. British. Cheers


Title: Re: Bolt Action escalation league
Post by: Andy Mellor on January 16, 2019, 10:47:59 am
Count me in, just painted 1943 Germans, based on 19th panzer division at Kursk. But have no armoured cars only PzIV? And can just get that in 500pts with my risk if it’s lost half my army is gone? But can swop it for a truck if need be.


Title: Re: Bolt Action escalation league
Post by: Daniel Phillips on January 16, 2019, 11:10:15 am
Count me in as well. Germans. Painted as late war but can do any time period.

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As far as ground rules go I propose that every unit that is in at the start has to be in the list as you expand it (unless we move the years forward with the points level).
The problem I see with this is if you take for example a light tank in the earlier games you're then stuck with it and can't take a bigger one later on.


Title: Re: Bolt Action escalation league
Post by: tony on January 16, 2019, 08:11:18 pm
Why don’t you just let in what you can fit in your pts, restrictions spoil the game. Imo


Title: Re: Bolt Action escalation league
Post by: Rob Farley on January 16, 2019, 09:33:05 pm
I like the idea of the limit. It makes you put a bit more thought into things rather than just min-maxing your army for the current points value.

Of course, I know some people don't like thought, on general principles. :P


Title: Re: Bolt Action escalation league
Post by: Chris Davies on January 17, 2019, 11:51:47 am
Cogito ergo schtum..


Title: Re: Bolt Action escalation league
Post by: martink0646 on January 19, 2019, 09:50:53 am
Hi Guys,

All good feedback. Valid point about the armour level in the 500 point list. I thought about it & realised that if someone wants to take a tank in a 500 point list then they should be allowed to handicap themselves if they want to ;D but majority will rule on this one as I don't really care either way.  The restriction that will apply is the one for no free units in the 500 point list unless a good reason for allowing them is given. We can potentially make exceptions on a case by case basis if it encourages someone to build a great list from one of the minor powers. What I don't want to see is free Brit observers for example which could potentially skew a 500 point list.

I don't know...make the argument, that's what the forum is for :)

MartinK


Title: Re: Bolt Action escalation league
Post by: Chris Davies on January 19, 2019, 10:50:41 am
Does that include the Russians free infantry squad?


Title: Re: Bolt Action escalation league
Post by: martink0646 on January 19, 2019, 10:57:25 am
Hi Chris,

I would say so yes. Mainly because a free 100 point squad at the 500 point level is a 20% extra advantage which gives a defintie edge. It's not so bad at 750 points so will be allowed & iis pretty balanced at 1,000 points but as per my post if you can make a case for it here the group can decide :).

Cheers,

MartinK


Title: Re: Bolt Action escalation league
Post by: Chris Davies on January 19, 2019, 12:06:49 pm
OK - do you want a game on 28th?


Title: Re: Bolt Action escalation league
Post by: Rob Farley on January 19, 2019, 05:23:06 pm
The last escalation league, we didn't have free squads at the 500 or 600 point levels. It seemed to work then.


Title: Re: Bolt Action escalation league
Post by: tony on February 01, 2019, 04:34:48 pm
so if no free squad does that mean no free art for french etc but german and yanks still get thier nation traits !
plus is it your start of 500pts has to stay with your army throughout the campagin.


Title: Re: Bolt Action escalation league
Post by: Rob Farley on February 01, 2019, 06:27:36 pm
Yes, all other nation traits work as normal. Other traits scale with the size of the army so they're all in proportion to each other, but a free 100+ point unit in a 500 point force is difficult to balance.


Title: Re: Bolt Action escalation league
Post by: Phil J on February 02, 2019, 05:52:13 pm
This looks like a great idea.  Im in:

Phil J - DAK.

I agree with the comment that at 500points the armies should be themed towards reconnaissance /small patrols and therefore unlikely to have tanks at this stage,  armour 7 seems appropriate.  As the games escalate it would be best using the 500 points from the original list and adding to this, so it would be like an ongoing engagement where reinforcements are coming in to support.

When is the start date?  Also what's the points increment going to be?


Title: Re: Bolt Action escalation league
Post by: Phil J on February 09, 2019, 07:01:38 pm
Any further development on this?  All quiet on the Western front ...


Title: Re: Bolt Action escalation league
Post by: martink0646 on February 12, 2019, 03:12:00 pm
Hi All,

OK, feedback read & ideas listened to, what follows is a draft blueprint for the Bolt Action Escalation League;

Force Composition

Four main rounds (+ potential bonus round). Forces allowed are any army, from any book so feel free to be creative. Anyone fielding an army from a minor power (i.e. not US, British, German, Russian, Japanese) will receive a points bonus upon completion of the campaign.  Special characters are not allowed but apart from that I am aiming to keep it deliberately vague. As the points levels rise you can move forward in time (e.g. early war to late war), you can increase veterancy (e.g. inexperienced-regular-veteran), just add extra units or all of the above. If na unit is included in a list it must be in the army from that point on at your chosen veterancy level.

I will not be banning anything in list composition but please bear in mind you are playing your club mates & the aim is to have have a good time not grind people into the dust  :D

Missions

Missions will be pre-selected & you will be informed of them just before start of play & everyone will play the same mission on that round. Expect to have to hold objectives. Missions may differ slightly (or completely) from the rule book.  Be prepared to think tactically & flexibly.

In the first round there will be attempts to match forces accurately but 'blue-on-blue' is almost certain to occur.

Restrictions

After careful consideration the only restriction to force make-up will be no free units for the first round (500pts). If someone wishes to take a tank in that list fine, but bear in mind missions will be objective based so take a preponderance of armour at your peril!!

Points Levels

Round 1 - 500pts (No free units)
Round 2 - 750pts
Round 3 - 1,000pts
Round 4 - 1,250pts
Round 5 (Optional Bonus Round) - 1,500pts Tank War game

Scoring

Scoring will be 5 pts for a win, 2 pts for a draw & 1 pt for a defeat with potential bonus points on offer so a loss can still potentially score well. At the end of the 5 rounds I am endeavouring to provide a small prize/s & a trophy to add a little spice  ;).

The start date is t.b.c. by the committee but I will give everyone as much notice as possible. Please reply on here/Facebook if you are interested. I will start chasing once the dates are known.

Good luck Commanders.


Title: Re: Bolt Action escalation league
Post by: Rob Farley on February 12, 2019, 07:20:24 pm
Do you have to stick with the same theatre selector from one game to the next? Presumably not, if you can move from early war to late war.


Title: Re: Bolt Action escalation league
Post by: Chris Davies on February 13, 2019, 02:56:01 pm
I'm in.


Title: Re: Bolt Action escalation league
Post by: Phil J on February 14, 2019, 10:03:04 pm
Im in with DAK


Title: Re: Bolt Action escalation league
Post by: Daniel Phillips on February 15, 2019, 10:15:13 am
I'm in, Germans.


Title: Re: Bolt Action escalation league
Post by: colinabrett on February 19, 2019, 01:07:34 am
Hi Martin,

Late to the party but, after discussion with Phil Jones, I am able to borrow an American army.

If there are still places on the roster, I'd like to join in.

Thanks,
Colin


Title: Re: Bolt Action escalation league
Post by: John Dudley on February 19, 2019, 01:56:04 pm
i am interested are we aloud theatre  list or is in reinforced lists


Title: Re: Bolt Action escalation league
Post by: martink0646 on February 19, 2019, 06:41:34 pm
Do you have to stick with the same theatre selector from one game to the next? Presumably not, if you can move from early war to late war.

Hi Rob,

You can change at will as long as you have the same units in your list. The only thing that can change about the unit is it's veterancy.  If you choose an inexperienced list to begin with & that unit is only inexperienced in any list/theatre selector then you must stick with that. Please feel free to point out the issues with this if there are any :)

MartinK


Title: Re: Bolt Action escalation league
Post by: martink0646 on February 19, 2019, 06:47:23 pm
i am interested are we aloud theatre  list or is in reinforced lists

Hi John,

Yes. Have a look at the long post on the previous page.  The second sentence reads "Forces allowed are any army, from any book so feel free to be creative."

If you have any further questions please feel free to post here, on FB, PM me or grab me on a Monday night :)

MartinK