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Title: Saga campaign
Post by: Andy Mellor on November 13, 2018, 03:53:46 pm
Yes interested, ive got the original but will I need to put saga 2 on Christmas list?
Title: Campaigns - 2019
Post by: Carl Fisher on November 13, 2018, 04:09:08 pm
Yes we will be using version 2. Will need core rule book plus Viking Age supplement.
Title: Campaigns - 2019
Post by: Shawn Comer on November 13, 2018, 05:55:50 pm
As I mentioned in the discussion last night, I would definitely be interested in doing a campaign. I think it might be fun to have some sort of territorial control map or the like and if you win a battle/raid, you could get control of the territory which would add a point to your army or allow you to take a mercenary unit from that territories army list perhaps. We would have to work out details to ensure some balance, etc., but I think that would add some depth and enjoyability vs. just doing a round robin type tournament or something.
Title: Campaigns - 2019
Post by: Grahame on November 20, 2018, 06:40:05 pm
Count me in - I agree about territory and using a map for this campaign and basing it in Britain.
Grahame
Title: Campaigns - 2019
Post by: Carl Fisher on November 20, 2018, 10:04:43 pm
I think I have found a suitable map, will try to print it off to share.
Title: Campaigns - 2019
Post by: colinabrett on November 21, 2018, 09:39:00 am
Hi Carl,

I'd like to join in the Saga campaign please? If I'm a good boy, Santa will bring me Age of Vikings for Xmas.  ;D

Colin
Title: Campaigns - 2019
Post by: Andy Miller on November 21, 2018, 09:24:09 pm
Please count me in, now I'm over 50 I can join in with SAGA???
Andy
Title: Campaigns - 2019
Post by: Andrew Beer on December 06, 2018, 04:54:17 am
I'd be up for this, I've ordered the rules.
Is anyone up for playing a practice game?

Andrew
Title: Campaigns - 2019
Post by: Grahame on December 06, 2018, 03:14:03 pm
hi Andrew - I'll give you a game. What were you thinking of using? I can lend you the appropriate board & dice if needed. If you get in touch via my home email we can sort something out.
Grahame
Title: Campaigns - 2019
Post by: Andrew Beer on December 14, 2018, 06:46:51 pm
Quote from: Carl Fisher on November 13, 2018, 04:09:08 pm
Yes we will be using version 2. Will need core rule book plus Viking Age supplement.


Which supplement is this, code number would be helpful, please
?
Title: Campaigns - 2019
Post by: Carl Fisher on December 14, 2018, 07:11:37 pm
Proposed Saga campaign.

More details to follow.

Suggest limiting to Viking age, and located in the British Isles and near continent.

So no Romans or Rus Princes.

Anyone interested?


Links to Griping Beast web site:

SAGA Rule book - Edition 2 (https://www.grippingbeast.co.uk/SRB20_SAGA_Rule_
Book_New_Edition--product--5540.html)

SAGA Viking Age Supplement (https://www.grippingbeast.co.uk/SRB21_SAGA_Age_of_Vikings_Supplement_--product--5541.html)
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on January 10, 2019, 08:53:04 am
Those who were originally interested:

Andy Beer
Andy Mellor
Andy Miller
Colin Brett
Grahame Middleton
Rob Farley
Shawn Corner
Tom G

Looking to start in March depending on which week it is alloted and run for 6 months.

There will be a map, and territories will be allotted once we know all players.

We will also be using the Saga Book of Battles for additional material.

All games will be 6 points basic.

A base warband will need to be of 6 points, no Legendary Heroes or Units, No Mercenaries, no Swords for Hire.

However War Banners, Bards, Priests and Personal Champions are allowed.

Relics and Artefacts cannot be taken, but these will be awarded as rewards to successful Warlords.

We will be tracking success in the campaign, using Warlord Experience, which will be a modified version of that in the Book of Battles.

As the campaign proceeds, Swords for Hire, and Legendary Units will also become available as rewards.

Other than any rewards, the Warband cannot vary in composition from the base Warband.

To allow for some flexibility, please create a list of 8 points of units from which you can select 6 for each game.

This list need only show what unit type is selected. Actual equipment selection can be done on the day, including (but not exclusively), Mounted/Unmounted, Heavy Weapons, Crossbows, Bow/Spear, where options exist for a unit in the relevant list.

Also as well as rewards for success, there will be penalties for failure which may reduce your ability to select units, or equipment in successive games.

For example units may not be available, or weapon options will be restricted if units have suffered badly.

Rules for this are still to be codified!

So if you are interested please add to this Topic.

There is probably space for between 6 and 12 players.

Note games will not need to be played on the specific date, and opponents and senario will be announced in advance.



Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Rob Farley on January 10, 2019, 01:40:20 pm
Since equipment selection can vary from game to game, presumably this means unit sizes don't have to be the same for each game?
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on January 10, 2019, 01:50:33 pm
Quote from: Rob Farley on January 10, 2019, 01:40:20 pm
Since equipment selection can vary from game to game, presumably this means unit sizes don't have to be the same for each game?


Yes unit size can also be decided on the day, as long as the unit is allowed by the rules.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Tom G on January 12, 2019, 02:43:22 am
In.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Rob Farley on January 13, 2019, 08:23:11 pm
Just out of interest, are Jomsvikings permitted for this or would they be considered too remote?
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on January 13, 2019, 10:39:22 pm
Quote from: Rob Farley on January 13, 2019, 08:23:11 pm
Just out of interest, are Jomsvikings permitted for this or would they be considered too remote?


Have boat will travel. So yes, I just assume s bunch of hardened Vikings who have come to see what they can pillage.

Really only The Last Romans, and Pagan Rus that don't have a part to play.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Rob Farley on January 13, 2019, 10:50:42 pm
Cool. I may have to reconsider my plans, I like the idea of an army that blackmails the enemy into giving them bonuses.  ;D
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Grahame on January 14, 2019, 03:33:06 pm
I'm in and will be using Normans. Bretons are also included in this list so would I be allowed to field a Breton force in some games?
Grahame
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on January 14, 2019, 05:43:13 pm
Quote from: Grahame on January 14, 2019, 03:33:06 pm
I'm in and will be using Normans. Bretons are also included in this list so would I be allowed to field a Breton force in some games?
Grahame


In this case you must choose to be Norman or Breton, for the campaign.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: colinabrett on January 15, 2019, 05:23:54 pm
I'm thinking of using Anglo-Danes, so I can mix and match the figures I have. Is this legit for the time period?

Colin
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on January 15, 2019, 05:49:51 pm
Quote from: colinabrett on January 15, 2019, 05:23:54 pm
I'm thinking of using Anglo-Danes, so I can mix and match the figures I have. Is this legit for the time period?

Colin


Yes these will be allowed!
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on February 19, 2019, 02:14:40 pm
First round will be April 1st! Apt!

What will need is names and warbands by Friday March 22nd.

There will be six games, scenarios will be published two weeks before.

Warband details will need to include a named Warlord (if you forget this I will provide Faction linked humorous names), Faction, and 8 points of units.

Games will be played with 6pts.

So for example

Player: Fred Smith
Warlord: Ulfric Squint-Eye
Faction: Viking
Points: 3pts Hearthguard, 1pt Berserkers, 2pts Warriors, 2pts Levy.

More details to follow!

Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andy Miller on February 20, 2019, 10:43:11 am
Player: Andy Miller
Warlord: Redwald the unsteady (no one mention his drink problem or he gets very tetchy)
Faction: Anglo Danes
Points: 3pts Hearthguard, 3pts Warriors, 2pts Levy.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Shawn Comer on February 20, 2019, 05:22:19 pm
Player: Shawn Comer
Warlord: Odd Skjaldulfsson
Faction: Viking
Points: 3pts Hearthguard, 1pt Berserkers, 3pts Warriors, 1pts Levy
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Grahame on February 21, 2019, 01:24:17 pm
Player: Grahame Middleton
Warlord: William de Warrene
Faction: Normans
Points: Heathguard 4 Warriors 2 Levy 2
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andy Mellor on February 25, 2019, 11:55:56 am
Player:  Andy Mellor
Warlord:  Arthgal Cu Cymerwr
Faction:  Strathclyde Welsh
Points:  3pts Heathguard, 5 pts Warriors
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: colinabrett on February 25, 2019, 12:22:00 pm
Player: Colin Brett
Warlord: Bronson (son of the dark man)
Faction: Anglo-Saxon
Points: Hearthguard 3, Warriors 3, Levy 2
Title: Re: Saga campaign - Campaign Rules
Post by: Carl Fisher on March 11, 2019, 12:55:48 pm
Attached is a first draft of the Campaign Rules, please take a look, and let me know if there are any obvious problems, or anything you think can be improved.

Version 2.

I have added the rules for Experience (26/03)
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Grahame on March 11, 2019, 01:42:37 pm
William de Warenne was given about 20 manors in Norfolk by Duke William so can I be based in East Anglia on the map please.
Grahame
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on March 11, 2019, 02:10:41 pm
Quote from: Grahame on March 11, 2019, 01:42:37 pm
William de Warenne was given about 20 manors in Norfolk by Duke William so can I be based in East Anglia on the map please.
Grahame


In early 1067 you might find it difficult to convince the locals of that.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Mike Whitaker on March 11, 2019, 02:45:39 pm
NB I won't be playing but for scenario planning be aware that I own a bunch of sub-Roman buildings, most of a Saxon village and will have 3D print files for a ;large abbey. Also the club owns the BIG GB/4Ground Saxon Hall.

A week's notice for any of the above would be nice though.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on March 16, 2019, 11:49:50 am
Quote from: Carl Fisher on February 19, 2019, 02:14:40 pm
First round will be April 1st! Apt!

What will need is names and warbands by Friday March 22nd.

There will be six games, scenarios will be published two weeks before.

Warband details will need to include a named Warlord (if you forget this I will provide Faction linked humorous names), Faction, and 8 points of units.

Games will be played with 6pts.

So for example

Player: Fred Smith
Warlord: Ulfric Squint-Eye
Faction: Viking
Points: 3pts Hearthguard, 1pt Berserkers, 2pts Warriors, 2pts Levy.

More details to follow!




Just a reminder, I need your lists by this coming Friday to allow me to sort out round One due 01/04/2019.

My list:

Player: Carl Fisher
Warlord: Styrbjörn the Strong
Faction: Jomsviking
Points: 4pts Hearthguard, 4pts Warriors

I note we currently have an odd number of players (including me).

So I will fill in to ensure games are played on the campaign night, so no one goes without a game.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: colinabrett on March 16, 2019, 10:41:17 pm
Hi Carl,

I'm playing Anglo-Saxons. How far north can I be based, please? Obviously, I'd like to be based in Bernicia or Northumbria, if they settled that far. Failing that, around Oxford would be great!

Thanks,
Colin

PS: that's a really nice map in your PDF. How did you make it? Because I might have to steal it  ;D

PPS: Is the Book of Battles required for each player?
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Tom G on March 18, 2019, 12:21:22 am
Carl,

Just for clarity I am playing in the campaign I have just not chosen Irish or other yet.

I will have a list to you by Friday.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andrew Beer on March 18, 2019, 07:31:48 am
I'll be fielding Welsh.

Andrew
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Rob Farley on March 20, 2019, 03:40:07 am
Decision made

Player: Rob Farley
Warlord: Henri le Bâtard
Faction: Norman
Points: 3pts Hearthguard, 3pts Warriors, 2pts Levy
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on March 20, 2019, 08:28:31 am
Current list of players

Andy Beer - Welsh
Andy Mellor - Strathclyde Welsh
Andy Miller - Anglo-Danes
Carl Fisher - Jomsvikings
Colin Brett - Anglo-saxons
Grahame Middleton - Normans
Rob Farley - Normans
Shawn Comer - Vikings
Tom G - Irish????

Is that everyone?

Any queries on the campaign rules?

Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andrew Beer on March 22, 2019, 07:09:56 am
Player: Andrew Beer
Warlord: Andreas Dewi
Faction: Welsh
Points: 2pts Hearthguard, 4pts Warriors, 2pts Levy
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Tom G on March 25, 2019, 02:32:33 am
Player: Tom
Warlord: ?
Faction: Irish
Points: 3pts Hearthguard 3pts Warriors, 2pts Levy
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on March 26, 2019, 10:19:51 am
The map has now been divided up for the start of the campaign.

Each player has three territories to defend as follows:

Andy Beer - Welsh : Gwynedd; Powys; Deheubarth
Andy Mellor - Strathclyde Welsh : Strathclyde; Galloway; Argyll
Andy Miller - Anglo-Danes : Northumbria; Westmorland; Cumbria
Carl Fisher - Jomsvikings : None!
Colin Brett - Anglo-saxons : Wessex; Devon; Leicester
Grahame Middleton - Normans : Essex ; Kent; Sussex
Rob Farley - Normans : Normandy; Avranchin; Brittany
Shawn Comer - Vikings : Egdafylki; Rygjafylki; Hordafylki
Tom G - Irish : Meath; Oriel; Leinster


This should leave plenty of Territories to raid and even conquer.

First matches are as follows:

Grahame vs Andy Miller
Rob vs Collin
Andy B vs Tom
Shawn vs Andy Mellor

If anyone can't play on Monday then the Jomsvikings will replace them.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on March 26, 2019, 10:25:42 am
Quote from: Tom G on March 25, 2019, 02:32:33 am
Player: Tom
Warlord: ?
Faction: Irish
Points: 3pts Hearthguard 3pts Warriors, 2pts Levy


So they will be lead by

Diarmait I'llost?
Title: Re: Saga campaign - Campaign Rules
Post by: Carl Fisher on March 26, 2019, 03:43:08 pm
Quote from: Carl Fisher on March 11, 2019, 12:55:48 pm
Attached is a first draft of the Campaign Rules, please take a look, and let me know if there are any obvious problems, or anything you think can be improved.

Version 2.

I have added the rules for Experience (26/03)



See earlier post - I have updated the Campaign Rules to include Warlord Experience.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andy Mellor on April 02, 2019, 10:17:16 am
Carl a question about talents.
The first step in Hunting "your warlord is now equipped with a bow" could I have an amendment to this? As it stands at the moment, my mounted warlord with javelin would become dismounted with a bow? Not an improvement.
Could this either be a composite bow or bow? Or "your warlord maybe equipped with a bow"?
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on April 02, 2019, 10:24:44 am
Quote from: Andy Mellor on April 02, 2019, 10:17:16 am
Carl a question about talents.
The first step in Hunting "your warlord is now equipped with a bow" could I have an amendment to this? As it stands at the moment, my mounted warlord with javelin would become dismounted with a bow? Not an improvement.
Could this either be a composite bow or bow? Or maybe equipped with a bow?


Sorry no. This trait really only applies to an unmounted warlord. To allow composite would be far too powerful.

Also composite bow does not sit well with Conquest era.

Note also if your warlord does not have the option to be on foot, then this trait cannot be used.

Obviously if your warlord can choose mtd or foot, then when you set up you can deploy as either on foot (with bow and trait) or mtd  (ignoring the trait).

Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on April 02, 2019, 10:33:16 am
Thanks to everyone who took part last night.

I have taken a quick look at the results forms, corrected one, as a result you all have experience to spend:

Rob - 5
Andy Mellor - 5
Grahame - 4
Andy B - 4
Andy Miller - 3
Tom - 3
Collin - 3
Shawn - 3

So you can all choose a level 1 trait for the next game.

We had two winners - Andy Mellor and Rob, who will both have 7 PT warbands next time

Collin and Shawn lost so can choose a Relic/Artifact for next time.

The rest were draws, better luck(?) next time.

Rob now has conquered Cornwall for Normans and Andy Mellor has expanded the Strathclyde kingdom into Fife.

Full placings and results to follow.


Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on April 02, 2019, 04:13:55 pm
So results after round one.

1 - Rob
2 - Andy Mellor
3= Grahame
3= Andy B
5= Andy Miller
5= Tom
7 - Shawn
8 - Collin

Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Rob Farley on April 02, 2019, 04:27:25 pm
Quote from: Carl Fisher on April 02, 2019, 10:33:16 am
Collin and Shawn lost so can choose a Relic/Artifact for next time.

The rest were draws, better luck(?) next time.

Is this right? It's the opposite way round in the campaign rules.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on April 02, 2019, 04:34:38 pm
Quote from: Rob Farley on April 02, 2019, 04:27:25 pm
Quote from: Carl Fisher on April 02, 2019, 10:33:16 am
Collin and Shawn lost so can choose a Relic/Artifact for next time.

The rest were draws, better luck(?) next time.

Is this right? It's the opposite way round in the campaign rules.


You are correct, my bad.

So should have read:

Grahame, Andy Miller, Andy B, Tom were draws so can choose a Relic/Artifact for the next round.

Colin and Shawn lost, so better luck next time.

Not sure what I was thinking!
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Rob Farley on April 02, 2019, 04:42:54 pm
And to clarify, the extra point that Andy and I have available needs to be spent on swords for hire or a legendary warlord?
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on April 02, 2019, 05:49:04 pm
Quote from: Rob Farley on April 02, 2019, 04:42:54 pm
And to clarify, the extra point that Andy and I have available needs to be spent on swords for hire or a legendary warlord?


Correct!

Obviously a legendary warlord would replace your normal warlord.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andy Miller on April 04, 2019, 12:17:37 am
I'd like a piece of the true cross please! The badger can look after it.
Andy
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Grahame on April 04, 2019, 03:29:18 pm
I shall now be riding Champion the Wonder Horse - not sure how that translates into Norman French....
Grahame
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Rob Farley on April 04, 2019, 04:02:18 pm
Quote from: Grahame on April 04, 2019, 03:29:18 pm
I shall now be riding Champion the Wonder Horse - not sure how that translates into Norman French....
Grahame

Champion le cheval merveille
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andy Miller on April 05, 2019, 12:47:21 am
I never really excelled at french, but isn't that a hairy mushroom? Champignon cheveux
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andrew Beer on April 15, 2019, 09:08:20 pm
Hi, Unfortunately due to medical grounds I will have to exit this campaign, sorry Carl.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on April 16, 2019, 07:47:48 am
Quote from: Andrew Beer on April 15, 2019, 09:08:20 pm
Hi, Unfortunately due to medical grounds I will have to exit this campaign, sorry Carl.


Sorry to hear that.

Hope all goes well with you health.

If your situation improves do let me know, and you can jump back in at anytime.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andrew Beer on April 16, 2019, 05:54:14 pm
Thank u :-)
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Mike Whitaker on April 16, 2019, 08:47:56 pm
Quote from: Andrew Beer on April 16, 2019, 05:54:14 pm
Thank u :-)

Anything we can do, please do let us know.
Title: Re: Saga campaign - Game 2 - Pillage
Post by: Carl Fisher on April 20, 2019, 11:28:31 am
So you are all moving around a bit, facing new enemies, and looking for loot, be it Pigs or Silver.

The match-ups for the next game on 06/05/2019 are:

Rob vs Andy Mellor
Grahame vs Me (playing in place of Andy B)
Andy Miller vs Tom
Shawn vs Collin

The scenario rules are attached - any mistakes, questions just ask!
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on April 29, 2019, 12:53:23 pm
For clarification, regarding moving Objective Markers, the uneven terrain rule ONLY applies to the unit that is moving, and as it moves.

As far as all other Saga Rules and Abilities are concerned the unit counts as on normal ground.

The obvious example is the Irish Sons of Dana does not apply, because there is no actual uneven terrain for you to hide in!

If in doubt check with me, if there are any rules you are not sure if they apply.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andy Mellor on May 01, 2019, 10:47:18 am
Hi Carl
Could you clarify some of the challenge rules for me?
1) if challenge accepted you play "clash of warlords"?
2) can you challenge the person you are listed to play, thus changing the scenario?
3) what are the advantages/disadvantages of armies with 7pt warbands or having relics, challenging armies with relics or having no advantages?
4) if challenge refused, what happens, can you challenge someone else?
5) what is the sequence of challenging?

I'm asking as this scenario is not the best for mounted armies (into the garage to find dismounted figures!!) And I've got the most powerful warband in the north, why go and fight the most powerful warband in the south? Easier pickings closer to home? (Scouts in Northumbria and Ireland!!!)
Cheers
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on May 01, 2019, 11:46:30 am
Quote from: Andy Mellor on May 01, 2019, 10:47:18 am
Hi Carl
Could you clarify some of the challenge rules for me?
1) if challenge accepted you play "clash of warlords"? Yes.
2) can you challenge the person you are listed to play, thus changing the scenario? Yes
3) what are the advantages/disadvantages of armies with 7pt warbands or having relics, challenging armies with relics or having no advantages? Relics already have a rule, they reduce Victory points by 4 (however Victory points are scored, so for Clash of Warlords it reduces Massacre Points). I did not consider what happened with 7pts Vs 6pts, as this should only apply to a challenge, however using a similar rule to the Relic, so reduce your Massacre points by 7pts. We can discuss that on the night if the result is really unbalanced, as this has not been play tested!
4) if challenge refused, what happens, can you challenge someone else? No you cannot make another challenge, this round.

5) what is the sequence of challenging? Once the scenario has been announced anyone can challenge via this forum.

I'm asking as this scenario is not the best for mounted armies (into the garage to find dismounted figures!!) And I've got the most powerful warband in the north, why go and fight the most powerful warband in the south? Easier pickings closer to home? (Scouts in Northumbria and Ireland!!!)
Cheers


See answers above.

Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andy Mellor on May 01, 2019, 12:45:40 pm
Thanks Carl

So no challenges on the night?
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on May 01, 2019, 01:02:20 pm
You can challenge on the night, as long as no games have started. As it can affect up to four players.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on May 01, 2019, 01:38:22 pm
Quote from: Carl Fisher on May 01, 2019, 01:02:20 pm
You can challenge on the night, as long as no games have started. As it can affect up to four players.


One final clarification, you can never challenge a player you have already played in the campaign.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Rob Farley on May 01, 2019, 07:23:14 pm
Quote from: Carl Fisher on May 01, 2019, 01:38:22 pm
Quote from: Carl Fisher on May 01, 2019, 01:02:20 pm
You can challenge on the night, as long as no games have started. As it can affect up to four players.


One final clarification, you can never challenge a player you have already played in the campaign.

That's not quite what it says in the campaign pack.
QuoteYou may pick ANY Warlord to challenge, with the exception you may never Challenge a Warlord more than once in the campaign, nor may you Challenge a Warlord who has Challenged you.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Rob Farley on May 01, 2019, 07:27:24 pm
Anyway, as Andy's apparently looking elsewhere for an opponent I'm going to jump in and challenge Tom. Since I've already played my other obvious opponent, and I fancy staking a claim on Ireland. :D
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andy Miller on May 01, 2019, 08:02:25 pm
So is challenging, "First come, first served"?
As I was playing Tom and presumably a later challenge wouldn't count. Can I challenge Colin in round 2, Tom in Round 3 (and as AndyB has dropped out due to his Op), Grahame in Round 4 or would that be making things get a little silly?
Get your challenges in quick !!!
Andy
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Rob Farley on May 01, 2019, 08:07:47 pm
Well, I also thought I was lining things up nicely for a Battle of the Andys. ;D

On a more serious note, with Andy talking about challenging you or Tom I'd have been left with the other half of the match-up anyway. So I thought I'd go for the one that makes more sense geographically (Cornwall to Northumbria would be a stretch).
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on May 01, 2019, 08:13:46 pm
Quote from: Andy Miller on May 01, 2019, 08:02:25 pm
So is challenging, "First come, first served"?
As I was playing Tom and presumably a later challenge wouldn't count. Can I challenge Colin in round 2, Tom in Round 3 (and as AndyB has dropped out due to his Op), Grahame in Round 4 or would that be making things get a little silly?
Get your challenges in quick !!!
Andy


Once the scenario has been announced - see above, so you can't challenge yet for rounds 3 onward!

Also note - challenges are not finalised until the player who has been challenged accepts!

So we are now waiting on Tom and Colin to respond.

Any other challenges?

Note as Rob and Andy have declared a challenge it is not possible to challenge them!
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andy Mellor on May 01, 2019, 09:34:49 pm
If those challenges are excepted then that means me and Shawn are playing each other again?
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on May 02, 2019, 09:19:52 am
Yes unfortunately that will happen, if no further challenges come in.

Note you will have to play the campaign scenario against Shawn, as you have already played him and so cannot challenge him.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andy Miller on May 02, 2019, 09:49:58 am
Or perhaps scrap challenges and rely on the Campaign organiser to pit suitable opponents against one another?
Andy
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on May 02, 2019, 10:21:25 am
Quote from: Andy Miller on May 02, 2019, 09:49:58 am
Or perhaps scrap challenges and rely on the Campaign organiser to pit suitable opponents against one another?
Andy


There is no penalty for withdrawing a challenge, except loss of face!
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andy Mellor on May 02, 2019, 12:19:18 pm
Quote from: Andy Miller on May 02, 2019, 09:49:58 am
Or perhaps scrap challenges and rely on the Campaign organiser to pit suitable opponents against one another?
Andy


Or the challenged warlord chooses to play "clash of warlords" or the given scenario?
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Grahame on May 02, 2019, 04:30:48 pm
I don't think challenges should be used as a way of avoiding scenarios you don't like the look of. I intend to refuse all challenges and will not be issuing any. I am immune to taunting and implications about my manhood. Those who seek to avoid difficult tactical situations are the ones who need to look to their courage. Sagas and legends are not written about those looking for an easy victory!
Grahame
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andy Mellor on May 02, 2019, 05:10:01 pm
Quote from: Grahame on May 02, 2019, 04:30:48 pm
I don't think challenges should be used as a way of avoiding scenarios you don't like the look of. I intend to refuse all challenges and will not be issuing any. I am immune to taunting and implications about my manhood. Those who seek to avoid difficult tactical situations are the ones who need to look to their courage. Sagas and legends are not written about those looking for an easy victory!
Grahame


Immune to taunts!! What even "your mother was a hamster and your father smeld of elderberries" surely not?
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Tom G on May 05, 2019, 02:53:38 pm
I am refusing all challenges this round as my Warlord does not see any of you as worthy challengers.  :P
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Rob Farley on May 05, 2019, 04:38:37 pm
Quote from: Tom G on May 05, 2019, 02:53:38 pm
I am refusing all challenges this round as my Warlord does not see any of you as worthy challengers.  :P

Well, that does mean that you lose 4 experience, like the cowardly wretch that you are.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andy Mellor on May 05, 2019, 09:46:16 pm
Quote from: Rob Farley on May 05, 2019, 04:38:37 pm
Quote from: Tom G on May 05, 2019, 02:53:38 pm
I am refusing all challenges this round as my Warlord does not see any of you as worthy challengers.  :P

Well, that does mean that you lose 4 experience, like the cowardly wretch that you are.


Probably only 1 as three already spent on traits?
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Rob Farley on May 06, 2019, 12:10:55 am
Quote from: Andy Mellor on May 05, 2019, 09:46:16 pm
Quote from: Rob Farley on May 05, 2019, 04:38:37 pm
Quote from: Tom G on May 05, 2019, 02:53:38 pm
I am refusing all challenges this round as my Warlord does not see any of you as worthy challengers.  :P

Well, that does mean that you lose 4 experience, like the cowardly wretch that you are.


Probably only 1 as three already spent on traits?

I was assuming negative numbers, otherwise there'd be no point to challenges if you could refuse them without any real consequence.

Either way, the bit about being a cowardly wretch still applies.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andy Mellor on May 06, 2019, 07:29:20 am
Quote from: Rob Farley on May 06, 2019, 12:10:55 am
Quote from: Andy Mellor on May 05, 2019, 09:46:16 pm
Quote from: Rob Farley on May 05, 2019, 04:38:37 pm
Quote from: Tom G on May 05, 2019, 02:53:38 pm
I am refusing all challenges this round as my Warlord does not see any of you as worthy challengers.  :P

Well, that does mean that you lose 4 experience, like the cowardly wretch that you are.


Probably only 1 as three already spent on traits?

I was assuming negative numbers, otherwise there'd be no point to challenges if you could refuse them without any real consequence.

Either way, the bit about being a cowardly wretch still applies.


Cant argue with that bit! Surprised though as fighting a warlord of higher experience earns the same rewards as winning the battle?

Me and Rob should of been challenged by all?
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on May 06, 2019, 10:12:31 am
Just a brief explanation on Experience.

There are two counts of experience - Total and Available.

Neither can go below zero.

So for example someone who gain 4 experience in Game 1

Total - 4 Available - 4

Now say they spend 3 on Talents

Total - 4 Available - 1 Talents - 1

Next they loose 4pts for refusing a challenge

Total - 0 Available - 0 Talents - 1

Game 2 they gain 4pts again

Total - 4 Available - 4 Talents - 1

They choose another Talent (4pts as second talent tree used)

Total - 4 Available - 0 Talents - 2

Again they refuse a challenge (should lose 4 Pts but counts do not go negative)

Total - 0 Available - 0 Talents - 2

Note in the above example both talents are level 1 as only 3/4  points available each time.
To go up to a level 2 talent you need to have 6 points available when selecting, once you have opened a second tree this becomes 7.

I hope this is clearish.





Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andy Mellor on May 06, 2019, 11:44:23 am
Are we not using the rule that using a second talent  tree increases all costs by +1?
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on May 06, 2019, 11:57:02 am
Quote from: Andy Mellor on May 06, 2019, 11:44:23 am
Are we not using the rule that using a second talent  tree increases all costs by +1?


Sorry - yes we are, but missing from my summary.

See above - example corrected.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Rob Farley on May 06, 2019, 01:34:54 pm
So, in the interests of clarity:

Tom's abject cowardice in the face of clearly superior competition means that his total experience drops to zero. His available experience also drops to zero, unless he's already spent it, in which case it remains at zero.

In any case, his craven nature has relegated him to last place in the campaign, where he obviously belongs.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Shawn Comer on May 06, 2019, 06:16:35 pm
Quote from: Carl Fisher on April 02, 2019, 10:33:16 am
Thanks to everyone who took part last night.

I have taken a quick look at the results forms, corrected one, as a result you all have experience to spend:

Rob - 5
Andy Mellor - 5
Grahame - 4
Andy B - 4
Andy Miller - 3
Tom - 3
Collin - 3

So you can all choose a level 1 trait for the next game.

We had two winners - Andy Mellor and Rob, who will both have 7 PT warbands next time

Collin and Shawn lost so can choose a Relic/Artifact for next time.

The rest were draws, better luck(?) next time.

Rob now has conquered Cornwall for Normans and Andy Mellor has expanded the Strathclyde kingdom into Fife.

Full placings and results to follow.





Just to clarify, I should have 3 experience, correct? 2 for participating in a battle and 1 for being in an attack? The experience carries over even if the warlord is knocked out, right?
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on May 06, 2019, 06:29:37 pm
Shawn, it has been corrected!

Sorry to have missed you off.
Title: Re: Saga campaign - Game 2 - Results
Post by: Carl Fisher on May 07, 2019, 04:20:28 pm
so I have reviewed the results from last night and the overall positions are as follows:


1 - Andy Mellor
2 - Andy Miller
3 - Rob Farley
4 - Shawn
5 - Grahame
6 - Carl
7 - Tom
8 - Andy Beer
9 - Collin


This is based on my "patent" threeway scoring system (patent pending!)

As far as Experience these are the available totals I have at the end of last night:

Andy Beer - 4
Andy Mellor - 7
Andy Miller - 5
Carl - 5
Collin - 6
Grahame - 7
Rob - 6
Shawn - 6
Tom - 3

Title: Re: Saga campaign - Game 3
Post by: Carl Fisher on May 07, 2019, 04:29:59 pm
Round three will take place on Monday 3 June 2019.

Match-ups and Scenario will be announced later.

Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andy Miller on May 07, 2019, 05:22:49 pm
Not wishing to pre-empt the draw for the next round, but it's looking grim up north between the Andies !
Andy
Title: Re: Saga campaign - Game 2 - Results
Post by: Shawn Comer on May 07, 2019, 05:42:27 pm
Quote from: Carl Fisher on May 07, 2019, 04:20:28 pm
so I have reviewed the results from last night and the overall positions are as follows:


1 - Andy Mellor
2 - Andy Miller
3 - Rob Farley
4 - Shawn
5 - Grahame
6 - Carl
7 - Tom
8 - Andy Beer
9 - Collin


This is based on my "patent" threeway scoring system (patent pending!)

As far as Experience these are the available totals I have at the end of last night:

Andy Beer - 4
Andy Mellor - 7
Andy Miller - 5
Carl - 5
Collin - 6
Grahame - 7
Rob - 6
Shawn - 3
Tom - 6




Carl,

I think mine and Tom's experience should be transposed.

Shawn
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on May 07, 2019, 06:52:36 pm
Sorry Shawn! I am not doing very well getting your experience right!

Has been corrected.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andy Mellor on May 08, 2019, 08:18:52 am
Did we have 4 winners on Monday? All fielding 7pt warbands next month? Certainly cuts down on matchmaking choices.
Battle of the Andy's and Norman's seems likely!!!!
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andy Miller on May 08, 2019, 09:58:27 am
Andy,
I'm sure Carl only had the bonus for the first round. So no extra points and/or relics etc.
Andy
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Grahame on May 08, 2019, 11:48:54 am
Perhaps you should take Andrew Beer from the lists etc - he certainly will not be taking any further part in the Saga Campaign.
Grahame
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on May 08, 2019, 11:57:32 am
Quote from: Andy Miller on May 08, 2019, 09:58:27 am
Andy,
I'm sure Carl only had the bonus for the first round. So no extra points and/or relics etc.
Andy


The bonuses are continuing to round three, so all winners from Monday can field an extra point as previously described.

Title: Re: Saga campaign - Game 3
Post by: Carl Fisher on May 17, 2019, 03:48:41 pm
So the match ups for game 3 - on Monday 03/06/2019


Andy Mellor vs Andy Miller
Carl vs Shawn

Grahame vs Rob - looks like a feud has broken out between the Normans
Collin vs Tom


The scenario will be The Crossing from the book of Battles.

I will include full details later.

The river for our purposes will class as Dangerous Terrain, as it is fast flowing due to the spring rains.

As previously the winners from the last round will be able to deploy a 7 point Warband.
There were no Draws so there will be no Relics/Artefacts.


Please note - following last month's challenges I have decided to make some small changes to the rules on Challenges.

You may not Challenge your designated opponent for this game.

Challenges are evaluated in reverse sequence of position, so starting with Collin, to allow for this please PM me any challenges directly.

I will decide if they are valid based on this sequence and then publish them here on Tuesday 28th.

Please let me know if you do not wish to make a challenge, to ensure I do not miss anyone.

All challenges will need to be with me by the Monday before the game (27th), to give time for responses.

You may still declare only one challenge per round.

Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Rob Farley on May 17, 2019, 05:56:13 pm
So, who were the winners last round? Who's got access to a 7 point warband?
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on May 17, 2019, 06:17:01 pm
Quote from: Rob Farley on May 17, 2019, 05:56:13 pm
So, who were the winners last round? Who's got access to a 7 point warband?


Andy Mellor
Andy Miller
Carl
Shawn
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andy Miller on May 17, 2019, 11:31:58 pm
Is Andy Mellor on an 8 point warband as he won both his first two games?
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Rob Farley on May 18, 2019, 12:13:12 am
From the campaign rules
QuoteThis upgrade only applies for one game.

You're only as good as your last battle.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andy Miller on May 18, 2019, 08:13:34 am
Meaning you can use it once or it last for one game?
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andy Mellor on May 18, 2019, 08:26:02 am
You get to use it once, for the next game, then have to earn it again. I'll have a warband of 7pts
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on May 18, 2019, 09:49:43 am
The extra point only applies for the next game, so if you win game 2, the extra point is available only for game 3.

If you win game 3, then the extra point is available for game 4, and so on.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Shawn Comer on May 20, 2019, 08:26:14 am
Carl,

I will be out of town for work on 3 June, and have a makeup game for Pikeman's Lament on 10 June. Could we play ours on 17 June?
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on May 20, 2019, 08:34:35 am
I assume 17th is Pikemans Lament (3rd Monday), but I am free on both 17th and 24th if it is not.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Grahame on May 20, 2019, 01:20:37 pm
17th is indeed PL
Grahame
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Shawn Comer on May 24, 2019, 04:55:15 pm
Ah, well in that case, I will also be gone for work on the 24th. We'll have to figure something out.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on May 24, 2019, 06:08:54 pm
Quote from: Shawn Comer on May 24, 2019, 04:55:15 pmAh, well in that case, I will also be gone for work on the 24th. We'll have to figure something out.
Are you available this Monday?
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Shawn Comer on May 24, 2019, 07:25:39 pm
Quote from: Carl Fisher on May 24, 2019, 06:08:54 pm
Quote from: Shawn Comer on May 24, 2019, 04:55:15 pmAh, well in that case, I will also be gone for work on the 24th. We'll have to figure something out.
Are you available this Monday?

Unfortunately I am not. The next date after the 17th I'll be available would be July 1st, which I believe would be the next Saga date. I suppose if there are no other options before the July battle I'll have to take a forfeit. I apologize for all the trouble, but I've just had a whole bunch of work-related travel piled on in a short period of time this next month.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on May 24, 2019, 09:25:33 pm
Quote from: Shawn Comer on May 24, 2019, 07:25:39 pm
Quote from: Carl Fisher on May 24, 2019, 06:08:54 pm
Quote from: Shawn Comer on May 24, 2019, 04:55:15 pmAh, well in that case, I will also be gone for work on the 24th. We'll have to figure something out.
Are you available this Monday?

Unfortunately I am not. The next date after the 17th I'll be available would be July 1st, which I believe would be the next Saga date. I suppose if there are no other options before the July battle I'll have to take a forfeit. I apologize for all the trouble, but I've just had a whole bunch of work-related travel piled on in a short period of time this next month.
OK, looks like we both have to miss this month.

I am sure we can sort something later.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andy Mellor on May 25, 2019, 06:07:28 am

Jomsvikings can always crash someone else's battle! We could try the Battle Royale?
Title: Re: Saga campaign - Game 3 - The Crossing
Post by: Carl Fisher on May 26, 2019, 04:27:41 pm
See attached for the scenario.

Additional rules:

The river rules vary from the Book of Battles.

The River does not block line of sight.
The river does not give any cover.
The river is between S and M wide.
It is never possible to cross the river in a single action.
The river reduces ALL movement to S, there are no exceptions.
All units gain a single fatigue when they end a move in the river, again with no exceptions.
Unlike normal dangerous terrain, Mounted units do not gain a second fatigue (as horses find crossing rivers less difficult!).

Let me know if there are further questions or queries.

File now added, thanks Mike.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andy Mellor on May 28, 2019, 10:12:04 am
I take it mounted still gain 2 fatigue if they charge a unit in the river?

Welsh should be able to use children of the land because they don't have to stop and take their boots off?????

Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on May 28, 2019, 10:34:13 am
Quote from: Andy Mellor on May 28, 2019, 10:12:04 amI take it mounted still gain 2 fatigue if they charge a unit in the river?

Welsh should be able to use children of the land because they don't have to stop and take their boots off?????


All units will gain a fatigue if their move ends in the river, including charging, so the fatigue is applied BEFORE the melee. No additional fatigue is applied after the melee because of the river, just the normal post melee one fatigue each.

Sorry restrictions include children of the land, fording waist high water will slow anyone. It is not the same as knowing your way through woods or scrub.

Also any abilities , that could inflict a shooting attacks, such as Sons of Dana, do not apply, you can't hide a few skirmishers in a river!
Title: Re: Saga campaign - Game 4
Post by: Carl Fisher on June 04, 2019, 09:19:56 am
Following on Mike's announcement, I propose we skip July, so Game 4 will be played on August 5.

Shawn, can we play our Game 3 before then? I am sure we can manage a table in July. If possible July 1.

I will release the known results from last night later today.

As we have a pause, I will hold back announcing details of Game 4 until nearer the time!
Title: Re: Saga campaign - Game 3 Results so far
Post by: Carl Fisher on June 05, 2019, 11:51:25 am
So the results so far are:

1 - Andy Mellor
2 - Grahame
3 - Tom
4 - Andy Miller
5 - Rob
6 - Shawn
7 - Collin
8 - Carl

Obviously this will change when Carl and Shawn have played their Game 3.

Experience Totals:

Andy Mellor - 15
Andy Miller - 12
Carl - 5
Collin - 8
Grahame - 13
Rob - 13
Shawn - 9
Tom - 6

Note these are Total Experience, can you please let me know of any spent experience, and what Talents you have taken.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Shawn Comer on June 07, 2019, 07:43:07 pm
Quote from: Carl Fisher on June 04, 2019, 09:19:56 amFollowing on Mike's announcement, I propose we skip July, so Game 4 will be played on August 5.

Shawn, can we play our Game 3 before then? I am sure we can manage a table in July. If possible July 1.

I will release the known results from last night later today.

As we have a pause, I will hold back announcing details of Game 4 until nearer the time!

Carl, yes I should be able to do 1 July.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on July 01, 2019, 09:53:01 am
Just a quick note following the last round. Anyone who heard Andy Miller's howls of anguish may already know of the problem!

There are available two types of measuring stick for Saga, metric and imperial.

Imperial - 12" 6" 4" 2"
Metric - 30cm 15cm, 10cm 5cm

They look very similar!

We use the imperial measures. For those without measuring sticks (or with metric ones) you can use a standard tape measure, where L is 12", M is 6", S(or C) is 4" and VS is 2".

Finally a reminder that intention is more important than fractions of inches, so if when advancing you state you intend to be outside M from the nearest unit, then that is where you are applies to both you and you opponent), obviously this cannot be used to make a move longer than the measure, you can't run away M and and up M and a bit forward to make sure you are over M from and opponent who is chasing you, only when going towards!

But remember to be clear when you state your intent.
Title: Re: Saga campaign - Game 3 Final Results
Post by: Carl Fisher on July 02, 2019, 03:29:46 pm
So the results following last night's match between me and Shawn:

1 - Andy Mellor
2 - Shawn
3 - Grahame
4 - Tom
5 - Andy Miller
6 - Rob
7 - Carl
8 - Collin

Experience Totals:

Andy Mellor - 15
Andy Miller - 12
Carl - 9
Collin - 8
Grahame - 13
Rob - 13
Shawn - 14
Tom - 6

Note these are Total Experience, can you please let me know of any spent experience, and what Talents you have taken.
Title: Re: Saga campaign Game 4
Post by: Carl Fisher on July 02, 2019, 03:41:46 pm
So following the results for Game 3 the match ups for Game 4 are:

Andy Mellor (W) vs Tom (W)
Grahame (W) vs Shawn (W)
Andy Miller vs Rob
Carl vs Collin

Please let me know if I have matched anyone who you have played before (I think that is not the case but...)

Note all Winners from Game 3 (marked W above) are all playing with an additional point. Again there were no Draws in Game 3 so no Relics.

The scenario will declared nearer the day.

Game 4 will be played on Monday 05/08/2019. Please let me know if you will not be available, so we can reschedule your Game.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Grahame on July 03, 2019, 01:17:33 pm
Just discovered that I've been playing metric so far! Will make some proper imperial sticks and see my Norman knights charge just that bit further....
Grahame
PS - will be there on the 5th
Title: Re: Saga campaign - Revise FAQ
Post by: Carl Fisher on July 10, 2019, 10:38:24 am
There is now a revised FAQ for the books we are using - see attached files.

We will be following these for Game 4 and the rest of the campaign.

Where there are specific changes I have made for this Campaign these still remain, and are not replaced by any FAQ. If you are in doubt then let me know and I will clarify as required.

faq_vikings_2019_uk.pdffaq_rulebook_2019_uk.pdffaq_battle_book_2019_uk.pdf
Title: Re: Saga campaign - Game 4 - Old Feud
Post by: Carl Fisher on July 18, 2019, 10:39:46 am
For Game 4 we will play the Old Feud scenario from the Book of Battles - a copy is attached here for those who do not have a copy of the book.

For this scenario you will each need to provide a suitable figure to act as your Challenger, since you may not get your first choice, a suggest you bring a couple of suitable models.

There are no campaign modifications to this scenario! However there are Errata:


Saga Dice 0, Armour 5(6) Aggression 4

Bodyguard, Determination, Pride, Resilience,(1). The Soldier may not be activated for movement if he is within M
and line of sight of an enemy unit that he could reach with a charge. He is here for the fight of his life.

We will be applying all the 2019 Errata and FAQ, so please ensure you have a copy and have read them! Especially any changes that apply to your own Warband.

See you all on 05/08/2019.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andy Mellor on July 19, 2019, 10:22:21 am
Hi Carl
Could you give your interpretation of turn 1 for me please?

"but cannot activate any
, units to shoot or charge during the first turn of the game, and
cannot trigger any Saga abilities durinq the first turn."

I read this as player 1 gets all his saga dice but as he can not trigger any saga abilities (basic and advanced) all he can do is; we obey, determination and manoeuvre.

No point in having the dice, nor can they use them in player 2's first turn for defence, as they cant trigger any saga abilities in turn 1 not just their own turn 1?

Cheers
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on July 19, 2019, 04:41:41 pm
Quote from: Andy Mellor on July 19, 2019, 10:22:21 amHi Carl
Could you give your interpretation of turn 1 for me please?

"but cannot activate any
, units to shoot or charge during the first turn of the game, and
cannot trigger any Saga abilities durinq the first turn."

I read this as player 1 gets all his saga dice but as he can not trigger any saga abilities (basic and advanced) all he can do is; we obey, determination and manoeuvre.

No point in having the dice, nor can they use them in player 2's first turn for defence, as they cant trigger any saga abilities in turn 1 not just their own turn 1?

Cheers

I agree with your reading of the rule. You can however place dice, and any such dice will be available from turn 2. This does mean at the beginning of turn 2 you may use all 8 Saga dice.

This is especially useful if on turn 1 you are luck enough to roll the rare symbol.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on July 19, 2019, 05:03:15 pm
Quote from: Carl Fisher on July 19, 2019, 04:41:41 pm
Quote from: Andy Mellor on July 19, 2019, 10:22:21 amHi Carl
Could you give your interpretation of turn 1 for me please?

"but cannot activate any
, units to shoot or charge during the first turn of the game, and
cannot trigger any Saga abilities durinq the first turn."

I read this as player 1 gets all his saga dice but as he can not trigger any saga abilities (basic and advanced) all he can do is; we obey, determination and manoeuvre.

No point in having the dice, nor can they use them in player 2's first turn for defence, as they cant trigger any saga abilities in turn 1 not just their own turn 1?

Cheers

I agree with your reading of the rule. You can however place dice, and any such dice will be available from turn 2. This does mean at the beginning of turn 2 you may use all 8 Saga dice.

This is especially useful if on turn 1 you are luck enough to roll the rare symbol.
So following some checks, and other considerations, I propose the following change, replace Saga abilities, with ADVANCED Saga abilities. So Basic Saga abilities are allowed.

Also looking at the deployment rules, VS seems a little to close to get all the models of a unit in, you try it. I suggest the first model must be within VS and the rest of the unit must be as close to within VS as possible, and no model outside S.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Rob Farley on July 19, 2019, 07:17:17 pm
Quote from: Carl Fisher on July 19, 2019, 05:03:15 pm
Quote from: Carl Fisher on July 19, 2019, 04:41:41 pm
Quote from: Andy Mellor on July 19, 2019, 10:22:21 amHi Carl
Could you give your interpretation of turn 1 for me please?

"but cannot activate any
, units to shoot or charge during the first turn of the game, and
cannot trigger any Saga abilities durinq the first turn."

I read this as player 1 gets all his saga dice but as he can not trigger any saga abilities (basic and advanced) all he can do is; we obey, determination and manoeuvre.

No point in having the dice, nor can they use them in player 2's first turn for defence, as they cant trigger any saga abilities in turn 1 not just their own turn 1?

Cheers

I agree with your reading of the rule. You can however place dice, and any such dice will be available from turn 2. This does mean at the beginning of turn 2 you may use all 8 Saga dice.

This is especially useful if on turn 1 you are luck enough to roll the rare symbol.
So following some checks, and other considerations, I propose the following change, replace Saga abilities, with ADVANCED Saga abilities. So Basic Saga abilities are allowed.

Also looking at the deployment rules, VS seems a little to close to get all the models of a unit in, you try it. I suggest the first model must be within VS and the rest of the unit must be as close to within VS as possible, and no model outside S.
I read the deployment rule differently. The unit must be within VS, but there's no suggestion that means every model in the unit. So long as at least one model is within VS the rest of the unit can deploy as normal.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andy Mellor on July 19, 2019, 10:32:03 pm
I would suggest player 1 can only use basic abilities in their first turn to move, after their first turn then they play as normal and can use all saga abilities in the 2nd players first turn.
The challenger can not use abilities as they are mercenaries, so they are relying on the rest of the warband for protection. Some armies (mine definitely) could cause a lot of damage if they are player 2, facing an army with just a combat pool?
With an extra point to spend, plus a challenger it will be almost like playing with 8pts,
Getting all 8 saga dice won't be a problem for turn 1 so loading the board is not a great advantage?
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andy Mellor on July 19, 2019, 10:48:28 pm
Quote from: Rob Farley on July 19, 2019, 07:17:17 pm
Quote from: Carl Fisher on July 19, 2019, 05:03:15 pm
Quote from: Carl Fisher on July 19, 2019, 04:41:41 pm
Quote from: Andy Mellor on July 19, 2019, 10:22:21 amHi Carl
Could you give your interpretation of turn 1 for me please?

"but cannot activate any
, units to shoot or charge during the first turn of the game, and
cannot trigger any Saga abilities durinq the first turn."

I read this as player 1 gets all his saga dice but as he can not trigger any saga abilities (basic and advanced) all he can do is; we obey, determination and manoeuvre.

No point in having the dice, nor can they use them in player 2's first turn for defence, as they cant trigger any saga abilities in turn 1 not just their own turn 1?

Cheers

I agree with your reading of the rule. You can however place dice, and any such dice will be available from turn 2. This does mean at the beginning of turn 2 you may use all 8 Saga dice.

This is especially useful if on turn 1 you are luck enough to roll the rare symbol.
So following some checks, and other considerations, I propose the following change, replace Saga abilities, with ADVANCED Saga abilities. So Basic Saga abilities are allowed.

Also looking at the deployment rules, VS seems a little to close to get all the models of a unit in, you try it. I suggest the first model must be within VS and the rest of the unit must be as close to within VS as possible, and no model outside S.
I read the deployment rule differently. The unit must be within VS, but there's no suggestion that means every model in the unit. So long as at least one model is within VS the rest of the unit can deploy as normal.

New FAQ states

For a unit to be at or within "X" it is sufficient that only one of its figurines is at "X" or less than "X". The only exception to this is during deployments. If a unit is to be deployed "within X" it is understood that it must be fully deployed "within X" (i.e. with all its figures fully within X or less).

Not going to be easy, basically a column! But I agree it should be just one figure within VS. How do you get a 12 figure cavalry unit VS to a 4 figure foot unit!
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on July 20, 2019, 10:52:09 am
Quote from: Andy Mellor on July 19, 2019, 10:48:28 pm
Quote from: Rob Farley on July 19, 2019, 07:17:17 pm
Quote from: Carl Fisher on July 19, 2019, 05:03:15 pm
Quote from: Carl Fisher on July 19, 2019, 04:41:41 pm
Quote from: Andy Mellor on July 19, 2019, 10:22:21 amHi Carl
Could you give your interpretation of turn 1 for me please?

"but cannot activate any
, units to shoot or charge during the first turn of the game, and
cannot trigger any Saga abilities durinq the first turn."

I read this as player 1 gets all his saga dice but as he can not trigger any saga abilities (basic and advanced) all he can do is; we obey, determination and manoeuvre.

No point in having the dice, nor can they use them in player 2's first turn for defence, as they cant trigger any saga abilities in turn 1 not just their own turn 1?

Cheers

I agree with your reading of the rule. You can however place dice, and any such dice will be available from turn 2. This does mean at the beginning of turn 2 you may use all 8 Saga dice.

This is especially useful if on turn 1 you are luck enough to roll the rare symbol.
So following some checks, and other considerations, I propose the following change, replace Saga abilities, with ADVANCED Saga abilities. So Basic Saga abilities are allowed.

Also looking at the deployment rules, VS seems a little to close to get all the models of a unit in, you try it. I suggest the first model must be within VS and the rest of the unit must be as close to within VS as possible, and no model outside S.
I read the deployment rule differently. The unit must be within VS, but there's no suggestion that means every model in the unit. So long as at least one model is within VS the rest of the unit can deploy as normal.

New FAQ states

For a unit to be at or within "X" it is sufficient that only one of its figurines is at "X" or less than "X". The only exception to this is during deployments. If a unit is to be deployed "within X" it is understood that it must be fully deployed "within X" (i.e. with all its figures fully within X or less).

Not going to be easy, basically a column! But I agree it should be just one figure within VS. How do you get a 12 figure cavalry unit VS to a 4 figure foot unit!

Hence my proposed revision. Even extending it to S will still limit deployment! You will end up with a tightly grouped warband.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on July 22, 2019, 09:30:41 am
So today the latest FAQ has been updated!

Attached is the latest latest version!

I do not know what the differences are, but the file is smaller!
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on July 24, 2019, 10:22:31 am
Quote from: Carl Fisher on July 22, 2019, 09:30:41 amSo today the latest FAQ has been updated!

Attached is the latest latest version!

I do not know what the differences are, but the file is smaller!
I have checked and the difference is the removal of the first para on Heroic Units, this conflicted with the later section on the same topic.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on July 30, 2019, 03:17:20 pm
Reminder - please confirm you will be there on Monday, where ever there is, we should be alright at Mike's as we're are only 4 small tables.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Grahame on July 30, 2019, 09:28:07 pm
I will be there
Grahame
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andy Mellor on July 31, 2019, 09:43:33 am
I'll be there
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Shawn Comer on August 01, 2019, 12:24:24 am
I'll be there.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andy Mellor on August 05, 2019, 07:45:58 am
My apologies Carl for the late notice but I'm unable to make it tonight.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on August 05, 2019, 09:05:03 am
Just a reminder that pairings for game 4 are:

Andy Mellor (W) vs Tom (W)
Grahame (W) vs Shawn (W)
Andy Miller vs Rob
Carl vs Collin



So Andy Mellor Vs Tom, can you rearange for later in the month?
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Tom G on August 05, 2019, 06:02:40 pm
yes no problem I will arrange with Andy when he is free.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on August 06, 2019, 10:29:04 am
The match ups for round 4 have been modified, to allow absence.

Collin and Andy Miller will now play Game 4.

So

 Collin vs Andy Miller
Tom vs Andy Mellor


Please arrange before round 5 (due 02/09/2019).

If you have a problem let me know, so I can organise round 5, without a result for round 4!

This can be done!

I note the map of Britain is now very crowded, so some territory may be lost as a result of round 4.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on August 11, 2019, 11:54:55 am
Please let me know when you are playing, so I can provide score sheets.
Title: Re: Saga campaign - Game 4
Post by: Carl Fisher on August 28, 2019, 11:19:49 am
As only half of the games have been played for Round 4 the ratings so far are subject to considerable change!

However results so far

Shawn Comer          1
Andy Mellor              2  *
Rob Farley                3
Grahame Middleton  4
Tom G                      5  *
Andy Miller                6  *
Carl Fisher                7  
Colin Brett                8 *

* = still to play game 4.
Title: Re: Saga campaign - Game 5
Post by: Carl Fisher on August 28, 2019, 11:37:22 am
Game 5 will be fought on Monday 09/09/2019

Match-Ups are as follows:

Andy Mellor vs Grahame
Andy Miller vs Shawn
Carl vs Collin
Rob vs Tom

Because we do not have a full set of results for Game 4 - there will be no Win or Draw bonuses for Game 5. However all experience gained in Game 4 (where played) is valid for Game 5.

The final game for the Campaign will be Game 6 on Monday 07/10/2019.

Total Experience Points are:

Andy Mellor      15
Andy Miller        12
Carl                  13
Collin                8
Grahame          16
Rob                  18
Shawn              18
Tom                  6

The scenario for Game 5 will be released by next week.
Please let me know if there are any errors above!
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: colinabrett on September 03, 2019, 04:39:01 pm
I'll be there on the 9th.
Colin
Title: Re: Saga campaign - Game 5
Post by: Carl Fisher on September 05, 2019, 09:11:49 am
Game 5 - will use the scenario A Tale of Challenges from the Book of Battles.

For those who do not have the book see attached.

When scoring at the end of the game I will also need to know Massacre points - so when scoring, decide W/D/L based on the scenario (so on Challenge points) but record the Points as Massacre Points!

Note there are no benefits for Winning (or Drawing) from Game 4, in Game 5 - it is standard 6 points for everyone.

See you all on Monday - note Andy Miller is not available so Shawn you will need to rearrange with him (sorry).

I think that will mean the following games to be completed before 07/10/2019 (Final Game) are

Andy Miller vs Collin (Game 4)
Andy Mellor vs Tom (Game 4)
Andy Miller vs Shawn (Game 5)
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andy Miller on September 05, 2019, 02:15:28 pm
Colin, Shawn,
I'm around on 16th, 23rd or 30th for those catch ups. Let me know if you can do one of them.
Andy
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: colinabrett on September 06, 2019, 09:45:43 am
Hi Carl,

I'll be at the club around 6:45 to open up and begin set-up. I think we need four tables, but can you confirm this in case I've missed a previous post?

Colin
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: colinabrett on September 06, 2019, 09:47:47 am
Quote from: Andy Miller on September 05, 2019, 02:15:28 pmColin, Shawn,
I'm around on 16th, 23rd or 30th for those catch ups. Let me know if you can do one of them.
Andy

Hi Andy,

I'll be available on all of those nights, unless there's a clash with the Pikeman's Lament campaign.

Colin
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on September 06, 2019, 01:07:15 pm
Quote from: colinabrett on September 06, 2019, 09:45:43 amHi Carl,

I'll be at the club around 6:45 to open up and begin set-up. I think we need four tables, but can you confirm this in case I've missed a previous post?

Colin

Colin,

We just need three tables (4x4 as usual).
Many thanks.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Rob Farley on September 08, 2019, 10:50:38 pm
Quick rules query; for the 'I will crush you' challenge, how do you handle things if they have multiple units with the same value?

This is especially important when you realise that the default unit sizes (1 hero, 4 hearthguard, 8 warriors or 12 levy) are all worth 5 points. So it's quite possible that EVERY unit in the enemy army will be worth the same.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Shawn Comer on September 09, 2019, 08:09:58 am
Quote from: Andy Miller on September 05, 2019, 02:15:28 pmColin, Shawn,
I'm around on 16th, 23rd or 30th for those catch ups. Let me know if you can do one of them.
Andy

Either the 23rd or 30th should be fine for me.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andy Mellor on September 09, 2019, 08:15:08 am
Quote from: Rob Farley on September 08, 2019, 10:50:38 pmQuick rules query; for the 'I will crush you' challenge, how do you handle things if they have multiple units with the same value?

This is especially important when you realise that the default unit sizes (1 hero, 4 hearthguard, 8 warriors or 12 levy) are all worth 5 points. So it's quite possible that EVERY unit in the enemy army will be worth the same.

As it's Saga I'd say the stories to tell after the battle would be better if the most impressive unit was crushed (warlord, hearthguard, then warriors and finally levy), "we slaughtered his personal guard" or " We chopped down some peasants". If it's still a tie then write down which unit displeases you the most (easiest to kill) after deployment.

Can't find any rules to give a hierarchy, so will need Carl's decision?

However, remember you can increase the chance of a win by stopping the other side from completing their challenges (4 strong hearthguard unit will just be an easy target)
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on September 09, 2019, 08:44:49 am
Quote from: Rob Farley on September 08, 2019, 10:50:38 pmQuick rules query; for the 'I will crush you' challenge, how do you handle things if they have multiple units with the same value?

This is especially important when you realise that the default unit sizes (1 hero, 4 hearthguard, 8 warriors or 12 levy) are all worth 5 points. So it's quite possible that EVERY unit in the enemy army will be worth the same.
The massacre points are calculated once the units have been deployed, remember although warbands are recruited as points (4 hearthguard, 8 warriors, 12 levy) they can be deployed as any size within the limits. 

But if there are multiple units of the same value after deployment, then you must declare the target of your challenge, the should be done before the first turn starts.

Since challenges are declared before deployment, it is only after deployment that you can identify the target unit.

Also remember, your opponent can combine units as they are deployed, so as a reaction to any challenges. With a view to achieving their challenges and preventing yours!
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on September 09, 2019, 08:53:45 am
Quote from: Carl Fisher on September 05, 2019, 09:11:49 amGame 5 - will use the scenario A Tale of Challenges from the Book of Battles.

For those who do not have the book see attached.

When scoring at the end of the game I will also need to know Massacre points - so when scoring, decide W/D/L based on the scenario (so on Challenge points) but record the Points as Massacre Points!

Please record the challenges on the back of the score sheet, as they are declared, and mark when they are achieved.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andy Miller on September 09, 2019, 01:19:54 pm
Colin/ Shawn,
16th is the third Monday, so Pikeman's Lament. So if you guys are happy Colin 23rd, Shawn 30th :)
Andy
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Rob Farley on September 09, 2019, 01:57:05 pm
Quote from: Andy Miller on September 09, 2019, 01:19:54 pmColin/ Shawn,
16th is the third Monday, so Pikeman's Lament. So if you guys are happy Colin 23rd, Shawn 30th :)
Andy
We're offset by a week because of the redecorating, so Mordheim is on the 16th and Pikeman's Lament is the 23rd.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andy Miller on September 10, 2019, 09:25:36 am
Still offset, I think that's whats messed me up. So, Colin are you alright for the 16th?
Andy
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: colinabrett on September 13, 2019, 03:22:58 pm
Quote from: Andy Miller on September 10, 2019, 09:25:36 amStill offset, I think that's whats messed me up. So, Colin are you alright for the 16th?
Andy

My plans have changed, Andy. I can't make the 16th. Sorry.
Colin
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on September 30, 2019, 05:13:52 pm
OK Results so far from Game 5

1 Andy Mellor
2 Rob Farley
3 Shawn Comer
4 Grahame Middleton
5 Carl Fisher
6 Tom G
7 Andy Miller
8 Colin Brett


Total Experience:

Andy Mellor             26
Andy Miller              12
Carl Fisher               17
Collin Brett              12
Grahame Middleton  20
Rob Farley               23
Shawn Commer       18
Tom G                     14

Officially there are still two games outstanding from Game 4 and 5:

Game 4 - Andy Miller vs Collin
Game 5 - Andy Miller vs Shawn
Title: Re: Saga campaign - Game 6
Post by: Carl Fisher on September 30, 2019, 05:22:23 pm
Game 6 - Monday 07/10/2019

This round will be played on 2 x 6ftx4ft tables.

The Scenario is Brothers in Arms.
The only variation is that for points can each player keep a running total of the Massacre point they score. For the points scored for totally destroyed units please calculate the total then split it equally.

Matchups:

Rob+Grahame vs Andy Miller+Collin
Carl+Shawn vs Andy Mellor+Tom

To decide the final divisions of the Kingdoms
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Grahame on October 01, 2019, 05:52:04 pm
How many points after we using? Also - Andy Miller won't be there.
Grahame
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: colinabrett on October 02, 2019, 08:22:28 am
Quote from: Carl Fisher on September 30, 2019, 05:22:23 pmGame 6 - Monday 07/10/2019

This round will be played on 2 x 6ftx4ft tables.


Just to avoid confusion, we'll need 6 boards (3 per table) and two deep cut mats. Is that right? (I mucked up with Martin Knowles' BA boards, so I thought I should check.)

Colin
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on October 02, 2019, 08:33:58 am
Quote from: colinabrett on October 02, 2019, 08:22:28 am
Quote from: Carl Fisher on September 30, 2019, 05:22:23 pmGame 6 - Monday 07/10/2019

This round will be played on 2 x 6ftx4ft tables.


Just to avoid confusion, we'll need 6 boards (3 per table) and two deep cut mats. Is that right? (I mucked up with Martin Knowles' BA boards, so I thought I should check.)

Colin
Yes Collin that is right. Many thanks.

Carl
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on October 02, 2019, 08:37:01 am
Quote from: Grahame on October 01, 2019, 05:52:04 pmHow many points after we using? Also - Andy Miller won't be there.
Grahame
All players have only 6pts, no bonuses for win or loose.

We do have a problem with Andy being missing.

As Monday 14th is no longer a campaign are we all available then? Please let me know today.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andy Mellor on October 02, 2019, 09:44:01 am
Quote from: Carl Fisher on October 02, 2019, 08:37:01 am
Quote from: Grahame on October 01, 2019, 05:52:04 pmHow many points after we using? Also - Andy Miller won't be there.
Grahame
All players have only 6pts, no bonuses for win or loose.

We do have a problem with Andy being missing.

As Monday 14th is no longer a campaign are we all available then? Please let me know today.

Im unlickly to make the 14th.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Mike Whitaker on October 02, 2019, 10:03:20 am
Quote from: Andy Mellor on October 02, 2019, 09:44:01 amIm unlickly to make the 14th.

Law of Conservation of Andys applies. We can probably blame Mr Hawes in some way :D
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: colinabrett on October 03, 2019, 08:25:20 am
I am pre-booked with Rob on the 14th.

Colin
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on October 03, 2019, 08:47:17 am
Following the responses, it looks like we will proceed on 7/10 as previously agreed, but without Andy.

I will therefore be updating the final scenario, please watch this space.

Can everyone else please confirm availability for Monday!
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andy Mellor on October 03, 2019, 10:29:10 am
I'll be in on Monday,

Preferring to fight for control of the North, I'd like to challenge Colin and his Anglo Saxons, Warlord against Warlord!

However Carl, as this might mess up your scenario, if I get way laid on route by a bunch of roving pirates so be it? I'll take the North another time?
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: colinabrett on October 03, 2019, 10:38:06 am
I'll be there on the 7th.
Colin
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Rob Farley on October 03, 2019, 01:07:00 pm
I'll be there.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Grahame on October 03, 2019, 04:28:37 pm
I'll be there
Grahame
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Shawn Comer on October 03, 2019, 06:05:24 pm
I'll be there.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on October 07, 2019, 12:19:48 pm
Quote from: Carl Fisher on September 30, 2019, 05:22:23 pmGame 6 - Monday 07/10/2019

This round will be played on 2 x 6ftx4ft tables.

The Scenario is Brothers in Arms.
The only variation is that for points can each player keep a running total of the Massacre point they score. For the points scored for totally destroyed units please calculate the total then split it equally.

Matchups:

Rob+Grahame vs Andy Miller+Collin
Carl+Shawn vs Andy Mellor+Tom

To decide the final divisions of the Kingdoms
With the absence of Andy Miller revised Match-Ups:

Rob+Grahame vs Collin+Andy Mellor Brothers in Arms

Carl vs Shawn vs Tom - Battle Royale Scenario
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Andy Mellor on October 07, 2019, 01:11:58 pm
Quote from: Carl Fisher on October 07, 2019, 12:19:48 pm
Quote from: Carl Fisher on September 30, 2019, 05:22:23 pmGame 6 - Monday 07/10/2019

This round will be played on 2 x 6ftx4ft tables.

The Scenario is Brothers in Arms.
The only variation is that for points can each player keep a running total of the Massacre point they score. For the points scored for totally destroyed units please calculate the total then split it equally.

Matchups:

Rob+Grahame vs Andy Miller+Collin
Carl+Shawn vs Andy Mellor+Tom

To decide the final divisions of the Kingdoms
With the absence of Andy Miller revised Match-Ups:

Rob+Grahame vs Collin+Andy Mellor Brothers in Arms

Carl vs Shawn vs Tom - Battle Royale Scenario

Seems a strange match up now? I've not fought yourself or colin and now won't?  And allying with Saxons!!!!! Especially after challenging them?
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Carl Fisher on October 07, 2019, 06:46:56 pm
Quote from: Andy Mellor on October 07, 2019, 01:11:58 pm
Quote from: Carl Fisher on October 07, 2019, 12:19:48 pm
Quote from: Carl Fisher on September 30, 2019, 05:22:23 pmGame 6 - Monday 07/10/2019

This round will be played on 2 x 6ftx4ft tables.

The Scenario is Brothers in Arms.
The only variation is that for points can each player keep a running total of the Massacre point they score. For the points scored for totally destroyed units please calculate the total then split it equally.

Matchups:

Rob+Grahame vs Andy Miller+Collin
Carl+Shawn vs Andy Mellor+Tom

To decide the final divisions of the Kingdoms
With the absence of Andy Miller revised Match-Ups:

Rob+Grahame vs Collin+Andy Mellor Brothers in Arms

Carl vs Shawn vs Tom - Battle Royale Scenario

Seems a strange match up now? I've not fought yourself or colin and now won't?  And allying with Saxons!!!!! Especially after challenging them?
Ok final change of plan. As I will not be there (still not recovered enough).

So scenario will be Battle Royale X2.

Rob Vs Collin Vs Andy Mellor

Grahame Vs Shawn Vs Tom.

Is we loose anymore, then which ever game is missing a player becomes a standard clash of warlords.
Title: Re: Saga campaign
Post by: Grahame on October 08, 2019, 02:18:21 pm
 Carl - we took a collective decision that last night shouldn't be a campaign night. We did try out the battle royale scenario [twice] but the general opinion was that it is not suitable for the campaign.
Grahame